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Emp-electro Magnetic Pulse.

Discussion in 'Man Made Disasters' started by lonewolf, May 14, 2017.

  1. lonewolf

    lonewolf Administrator Staff Member

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    Think " it could never happen "? think again, it already has !.
    1859. a coronal mass ejection from the sun known as The Carrington Effect sent electrically charged particles to the earth causing the Telegraph system to fail all over North America and Europe. night time auroras were so bright people could read newspapers by its light.
    such an event is said to happen every 150 years. WE'RE OVERDUE.

    1945. The United States first nuclear bomb test. they had expected the gamma radiation and had made efforts to protect their electronics, the official report says" although all the signal lines were completely shielded, in some cases doubly shielded, many records were lost because of pickup at the time of the explosion that paralysed the recording equipment".

    1952/1953. British nuclear testing caused the instruments to fail, without a term for the phenomenon the new term "radio flash" was coined, we now know that as EMP.

    1962. The United States detonated a nuclear bomb in space, the effects were felt 900 miles away in Hawaii, the test was called "Starfish Prime".

    1962/1963 the then Soviet Union detonated a series of nuclear bombs over Kazakhstan trying to find the best altitude and type of nuke for the most damage. during test 184 they successfully brought down 600 miles of power lines even though it was buried and shielded, they also destroyed a power station, disabled generators, brought down the phone lines, damaged radar and radios, amongst other effects.
    since the fall of the Soviet Union many Russian arms have found their way onto the black market to be bought by the highest bidder.

    March 1989. the entire province of Quebec, Canada suffered a complete blackout due to a geomagnetic storm, it also caused radio interference, including the jamming of radio signals from Free Radio Europe into Russia.

    October 2003. a solar storm hit South Africa bringing down the electric grid by destroying several transformers. many people were without power for almost 1 YEAR.

    April 2013. 6 men armed with AK47s attacked an electrical substation in San Jose, California. shooting hundreds of rounds they destroyed 10 transformers, it took over a month to repair, it is estimated that taking down about a dozen such stations would cripple most of the US electrical grid.
    although this isn't an EMP the devastation would be huge.


    July 2013, Panama officials stop a vessel looking for drugs and discover North Korea is smuggling missile materials from Cuba, such materials could be used to create a nuclear EMP.

    its not a question of "if" but it a matter of WHEN it will occur next, and how our technology dependent society could cope with the loss of readily available electricity when this country, or the world, goes dark.
     
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  2. Brownbear

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    This is a very interesting question LW. The 1989 event in Quebec did not cause that many problems - a different event but with a similar outcome were the ice storms in Canada a few years ago. Both these events were not catastrophic compared to the potential problems given that a majority of stuff is dependant in the internet these days.
     
  3. lonewolf

    lonewolf Administrator Staff Member

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    all of these things boil down to the availability or not of electricity, which seems to be the weakest link in our technology, anything that removes the supply or the ability to produce enough to supply this commodity.
    most things these days either run on electricity or have to be recharged by electricity, if one cannot do either of these things then whatever we are using is useless once it runs out of "juice".
    I mean most of the things that the population of this country uses on a daily basis needs electricity in some shape of form, from the digital clock on the bed side table, to the shaver point in the bathroom, to the electric oven, electric kettle and toaster in the kitchen, our cars needs power in the form of its battery, to electrically pumped fuel in the filling station, to electrical tills and automatic doors in the supermarket, to the coffee machine in the office.
    no petrol pumps mean no food deliveries to the supermarket, no mains water, so the toilets wont flush.
    take all that away and just how would most manage? I think the answer is obvious, they wont.
    and an EMP would do just that, remove the ability to produce or use electrical power.
     
  4. Brownbear

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    You're right, we do rely on electricity too much. When I lived out in the countryside, during a wet and windy winter we no electricity more often than we had, never caused us any grief. Of course back then we didn't have t'internet, Xboxes (whatever the F they might be) and mobile phones so maybe that's the difference ;)
     
  5. lonewolf

    lonewolf Administrator Staff Member

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    yes, I lived on a family(in laws) small holding for 12 years, no electric, no mains water, no flushing toilets(in fact no toilets!) and loved every minute of it, mind you I am a man of simple needs!!!:p
    these days everything is connected to the internet, its EXPECTED for everyone to be online.
     
  6. Brownbear

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    It is but I reckon that's all part of controlling the masses ;)
     
  7. lonewolf

    lonewolf Administrator Staff Member

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    so do I !:D most of whom are no more than zombies anyway:rofl:
     
  8. Phil

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    So how did you light the place?
     
  9. lonewolf

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    Storm Lanterns.
     
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  10. ystranc

    ystranc Well-Known Member

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    The effects of an EMP are vastly over rated, you can protect your electrical equipment and data by switching them off and putting them in a Faraday cage, simply put it is an enclosed conductive metal box or mesh cage which is earthed strait to ground. Your car is already a Faraday cage in its own right.
     
  11. lonewolf

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    dosent matter what we do personally its the infrastructure which will take the hit, protect your car and then no fuel is available at the filling station and you've wasted your time your car still isn't going anywhere.
     
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    Prime Well-Known Member

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    The problem I have with this LW and your rather dogmatic 'one-view' perspective is that it lacks clarity on what you think will cause this massive reset and it lacks the ability to understand that Yes Fuel is finite but many of us would like to retain the use of motorised vehicles for a variety of reason for as long as possible - yes they may be taken away directly or indirectly ( lack of logistics and fuel over time ) but to throw 'baby out with the bather water ' initially and immediately makes no logical sense to me at all.

    Its not about clinging to a dying technology ( if that is your view ) its about using what you have where you have it for as long as you can have it - Adaptation!
     
  13. lonewolf

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    my view has always been that the resources of planet Earth are finite and the more people there are using those resources the quicker they will be used up, that's whether SHTF or not.
    with regard to your last paragraph-above- I have always said "use what you can, to get to a place where those resources are no longer available and you can live without them".